So it looks like war is inevitable.

I mean the US and Britain are capable of taking care of themselves but Australia is like a little kid running around waving a toy gun, eventually somebody is going to take our pop gun away and kick our arse if we interfere in the affairs of other nations.

On another note i am very skeptical of George Bush's motives in this war and very aware of his flagrant hypocrasy (sorry americans in the forum)
I mean he proposes to rid Iraq of weapons of mass distruction by invading them and using Weapons of mass destruction on them. (Yeah sure no nuclear and biological weapons but im pretty sure these super bombs the american army have been braggin about would cause mass destruction!)
He proposes to protect freedom and liberty by taking away the chance for most Iraqi people who don't have horns and a tail to lead a normal life.
I mean in one way there isn't any alternative to attacking Iraq because Saddam Hussein isnt going anywhere otherwise but I am afraid that what happens afterwards wont be much better, I mean it could be a short war with minimal damage and the Iraqis could make a sound government but something could get really fucked up and cause problems for another 100 years or so!

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche

And Stapes, are you really that eager to go to war and get chemical weapons shot at you? If you are, sorry that's not bravery nor loyalty, but arrogance. To say "I'm being drafted to a war that could get me killed to protect the United States of America" is just shitty.

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xcuse me while i kill my self
blow my brain across the wall
fuck you all, how do you do
fuck me? fuck you too
and now i end this all

xcuse me while...... i kill my seeeeeeeeeeeeeelf

Scotty, I did mean that he will hurt the economy. How can a war help the economy?

I think its out of some sense of 'playing with the big boys' or something. We have this perverse habit of diving into other peoples wars out of this sense of moral obligation which isnt bad but in this case isnt good either. I don't know but I really think we should be minding our own business. Its kind of stupid to be playing a game we really aren't very good at.

And Stapes man if you are that eager to get out there and fight then something is wrong. The whole point of wars is to prevent future fighting, not as a chance to unload a can of whoopass.

[ March 19, 2003: Message edited by: Slurrydevil ]

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche

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Originally posted by Scotty the Great:
Plus Stapes, those who are out there fighting and ready to die for the cause of the U.S. truly believe in what they are fighting for. They are all for defending our asses over in America, even the ones of us who are against what they are doing. If you want to go into the war and fight just for the sake of fighting with no other moral or psychological grounds to back your standing, then I really feel sorry for you man. There is much more to it than that.

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I can't say I'm for this war, but Scotty is totally in the right. You must feel pretty shit after that post.

Oh and as for oil prices, you don't want to come over here..

[ March 20, 2003: Message edited by: ishootghoulsonsight ]

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As I gaze up at the night sky in my own fair time, I look back down and see the devastation. This post-nuclear world. It's terrible. But at least we got Nuka-Cola, warm and flat, the drink of the post-apocalyptic civiliztion. Generation Next!

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche

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"I'll give you just one piece of advice... Dying hurts like hell." - Heero Yuy

At least the coalition forces (which is a stupid name because they are about 99.9% made up of the American army) seem to be fighting this war in an honourable manner and are having better luck not missing and killing civilians as in the Gulf War.

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche

And we would be able to do most of the bombings even without the help of the border countries. We could still get close enough to bomb because of Iraq's closeness to the Persian Gulf. And besides, even if the other countries wouldn't let us use their land, we would still have Kuwait with us (remember who liberated them in 1991?)

Oh yeah, here is a list for the coalition of the willing:
Afghanistan, Albania, Australia, Azerbaijan, Bulgaria, Colombia, the Czech Republic, Denmark, El Salvador, Eritrea, Estonia, Ethiopia, Georgia, Hungary, Italy, Japan, Latvia, Lithuania, Macedonia, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, the Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, South Korea, Spain, Turkey, the United Kingdom and Uzbekistan

You also have to look at the list you posted. Where is Kuwait on there? They are letting us use their land, but they don't support us. That is what I find interesting.

[ March 22, 2003: Message edited by: Stapes ]

Sorry for being so cynical, my mum is a bitter lefty and I think she is making me anti establishment just by listening to her

Stapes about the percentage incase you hadn't noticed it was an exaggeration, I do that a lot

[ March 23, 2003: Message edited by: Slurrydevil ]

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche

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No one is perfect

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xcuse me while i kill my self
blow my brain across the wall
fuck you all, how do you do
fuck me? fuck you too
and now i end this all

xcuse me while...... i kill my seeeeeeeeeeeeeelf

However...... after the exchange rate, that comes down to a canoe, 2
Mounties and a flying squirrel....

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche

I guess if your a cop red is a pretty good intimidation colour for clothes. The British Redcoats were fairly intimidating for the same reason.

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche