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FALLOUTGOD
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posted March 06, 2003 17:22
Hey! No anti-Bush jokes, we don't wana be the one country to expeirance Fallout in reality so lets give him support no matter what he does. That way even if he does screw up we can fix it. Personally I want to shoot all those protesters and I probable would if I was in washington and had a gun. Like I'm fucking serious, I think thats utter fucking BS. They are protesting bull shit, they got nothing against bush. Blah blah war blah blah, we don't fucking care! Ok just shoot the fuckers and the problem is solved. I hate them all, their stupid uneducated pricks that think they know something but they don't know jack. Saddam is an ass like Hitler was, sure they are great leaders and are massing well. No matter what however I want them dead, when inocent people get killed and weapons are being amassed and my friends lives are threatend it's time to kick ass. I don't care about my self, but I don't want others to die. I take on my self to joing the army and fight for you. I don't care how ungrateful they are, one day they will be sorry they ever protested. Then they will call us heros, and then we will be forgten. However I have not forgoten the greatness and bravery of those who got their asses kicked so I could be free. For my great grandfathers who all died in world war II fighting Nazis off the Russian borders. For the brave americans who fought and died in the gulf war, and that are dying in the wars of today. For the ones that died(well they don't anymore now we are concenrating on more important things, it's not that we don't care anymore we just have our proyaroties straight) trying to deliver aid to 3rd world countrys. For them I would like to hold a moment of Silance. Brave men deserve more but thats just how fucked up it is, they get nothing and we leech of them. I want you to feel ashamed Scotty, people are trying to protect you and your family and you insult them like that?
... I expected a litte bit more than that from you, hopefully you were kidding. -------------------- xcuse me while i kill my self
blow my brain across the wall
fuck you all, how do you do
fuck me? fuck you too
and now i end this all xcuse me while...... i kill my seeeeeeeeeeeeeelf
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Scotty the Great
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posted March 06, 2003 22:42
Ok, now time for a rebuttal!First off, the people who are protesting, a lot are college students. Uneducated, no. Presumptious and arrogant, definetely. But does that mean they're wrong? I don't know, maybe. But everyone has the right to their own opinion, and to protest however they wish. It's fine with me. Secondly, Saddam is a dictator like Hitler. Saddam killed innocent people like Hitler. But also like Hitler, for the most part the people love Saddam. If we go to war, there will be a lot of support in Iraq for him. Also, although I do think that Iraq is a problem and something has to be done about it, I do not agree in the matter that Bush is going about it. He should not try to go in without the support of our allies. I mean, the world hates us enough already the way it is. Why give 'em a reason to hate us more? For the most part, I don't know what to really think about the whole war thing. Sure it could be good, but I don't like the feeling of going at it alone and pissing off our allies. As for as George W goes, I don't like him, I think he is a crappy president, and am very hopeful that another Bill Clinton will emerge sometime soon.
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Stapes
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posted March 06, 2003 22:43
Well, some people in my school had a little poll going. They asked if they cared about the country. I was the only one that said NO! I don't care if we lose our freedom. At least we would get rid of Dubyah. I could care less if we go to war. I'm going active when I graduate and I'm going to be in the war. I want to do it! If I die for this hell hole, so be it! I don't care! I want to die in a war. That way, my name would be etched in history!As for the protestors, most of them are actually very well educated people. My friends sister who goes to college in Princeton is protesting. So you can't say that they are all uneducated. Some maybe, all, HELL NO! Well, I don't care about the economy, I don't care about this damned country, I just want out of here.
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Gauss
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posted March 07, 2003 08:45
Bush is soooooooo wrong!
He claims he is afraid that Sadam will get his hands on a nuclear weapon and then control the middle east,well thats one large pile of fucking dirty shit.
Bush couldnt care less about the middle east,all he wants is the OIL in the middle east,and this Nuclear weapons crap is just a lousy excuse to go in Iraq-politics.
and whats that I heard Scotty said :the people love Sadam.
tis is Bull shit,a very big part of the people hate him like hell.
they r just 2 afraid to protest,cuz if they will,they will be dead the next day.
This insane dictator is terrorizing his people with fear,anyone who even dares to squek against Sadam disappears mystiriously.
The people are too afraid to go against him because they what he can do.
And when America will attack,everyone in the middle east will suffer.[ March 07, 2003: Message edited by: Gauss Bumper ] -------------------- No one is perfect
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FALLOUTGOD
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posted March 07, 2003 15:12
Were looking long term, he does care. Would you wana be known as the president that let this get TOTALLY out of hand? No, I diden't think so, he looks at in long term. They oil is a small bonus you incompetend idiot. Everything is painful loss, you think he wants Americans to die just for fucking oil they can buy anyway? Bush has some morals you dick fuck, he dosen't want America to be in trouble later. I know it's selfish but it's his job to protect his country. He is the fucking president after fucking all. Shit, if saddam gains control of the middle east which he is slowly doing. Then guess what buddy, he aint guna stop there. This guy is going for the big apples after that. It's a risky move but so far it looks like it will slide for him. Why? Becuase of stupid fuckers like you. Look in ten years when America and your country had the shit bombed out if it and saddam is dictating most of the world you'll be sorry like the rest. War is bad but it's unavoidable. I see these shit for brains protests about how war should not be an option till all peaceful ones have been exusted. HOW MANY FUCKING YEARS HAVE WE BEEN FUCKING NICE TO THEM AND LETTING EM SLIDE WITH SHIT? This has gone too far, it's time to load up, take names, and kick ass.-------------------- xcuse me while i kill my self
blow my brain across the wall
fuck you all, how do you do
fuck me? fuck you too
and now i end this all xcuse me while...... i kill my seeeeeeeeeeeeeelf
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Scotty the Great
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posted March 07, 2003 21:49
FG, tone it down some. It's fine debating, but let's not start insulting people's opinions.As for the protestors, well hell, they have their viewpoints and in their own mind are completely right. They see war, any kind of war, as a horrible thing, and that's probably why they are protesting. Regardless of any of the circumstances or who the President happens to be or who the enemy is, they would protest. It doesn't matter to them. They, for the most part, want peace. Then agian, I'm sure there are some who just don't want to go to war with Iraq specifically for the same reasons that I don't agree with it, which is basically that I don't want to sacrifice our alliances. It's not good practice, and could very easily blow up in our faces when we need help. Bush, sure, he's got morals, everyone does. But remember, morals are different for everyone. It could be a moral of mine that canabalism is alright. Plus, he's been doing good given the circumstances? Which circumstances would that be? Sure, it was in his term that September 11 happened and everything, but look at his track record before that. The stock market fell more BEFORE 9-11 than it did after! And that was before any of this shit erupted. The economy slumped when he took over, plain and simple. And take names and kick ass? Don't you think we should at least finish what we started, first? Yeah, you guys probably don't know this, but a few months ago (actually probably a little longer) we were meeting opposition in Afghanistan from the Taliban again. It was reported that they're strength and presence was similar to that of what it was before the September 11 attacks. We didn't catch bin Laden yet, we didn't eliminate the Taliban yet, so why start another war? Plus, FG, you are right that it is Bush's job to protect our country. He has a responsibility to it. However, swift military action without UN support is not the answer. But then again, Bush is looking at the clock, and it's dwindling down. He's running out of time for his presidency. This dispute has been going on about Iraq for almost a year now, if not longer. He's tired of waiting, and doesn't want to risk losing his job and his plans for Iraq in the next election. Lastly, I leave you guys with this: Why must the United States of America be so concerned with policeing the world? Can't we ever just leave our noses out of everyone else's business?
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Stapes
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posted March 07, 2003 22:23
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My friends sister who goes to college in Princeton is protesting. So you can't say that they are all uneducated. Some maybe, all, HELL NO!
It takes a lot more than a .5gpa to get into an IVY LEAGUE school. They actually know what the fuck is going on with the world. As for the market crashing before 9-11, that is kinda freaky. It is just like the government is taking it out of the book I've been reading. It is 'Debt of Honor' by Tom Clancy. In the book, Japan crashes the NYSE and then attacks a fleet of US ships out in the Pacific Ocean. That is fucking freaky. As for the Taliban thing, yeah, I did read about that. I would rather go after Saddam than Bin Laden personally. I don't think that Bin Laden has the nukes yet, and I think that Saddam does, so I would rather get rid of the nukes before BL. Most of the people I've talked to are indifferent about Bush. Some like him, some hate him, some just don't care. I personally am one that thinks that he does have some good points but most of them are just stupid. Having 2 wars at once is one of the things that is just stupid. We are more than likely going to be losing the support of the UN, so basically, without them, we are screwed! What exactly do you mean about us just buying oil? We already do buy the oil. Iraq had an agreement with the US government and they broke that agreement off! That is the reason that we might go to war with them. The thing I don't get is what will happen if Iraq stops selling the oil to the US. They can try drilling in Alaska, but the environmentalists would have a huge fit. All in all, we are going to lose if we go to war.
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Scotty the Great
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posted March 07, 2003 22:45
Yeah, and big shocker here, but today France, Germanay, and Russia voted against the U.S.'s proposed plan. Still no UN support gained. Plus, France does have oil agreements with Iraq, along with Russia I believe.If we go at it alone, we could win, but it probably would cost us the support of our allies, which would really fuck up our international diplomacy policies. We'd be screwed. Plus, if we went to war with Iraq, what happens when we can't prove that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction? That's what we're baseing our whole case against Iraq on. If we get there, and there turns out to be none of these weapons, then we'll be the laughing stock of the entire world. It would be the biggest screw-up of our country's history. And no, we don't have proof that Iraq has these weapons. It's all speculation. Personally, if I were president, I wouldn't want to take that big of a risk. And if there was a Presidential election today, it is predicted that Bush would lose the popular vote.
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Scotty the Great
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posted March 09, 2003 14:38
FG, it's all a matter of opinion. Personally, I do think that Saddam does need to be removed from power. Fact is that since he's taken control of the country, five million of the people living there have fled. He has killed people and has in the past possessed weapons of massive destruction.But now, look at the facts. The UN weapons inspectors, although have met some resistance, reported that for the most part they were allowed access to all necessary facilities and that Iraq was cooperating. And still, the UN has not found any weapons of mass destruction in which the US is placing its whole case on. Plus, if my ignorance is found in arguing against America's case against Iraq, then similarly yours can be found in arguing for it. The fact of the matter is, we assume he has these weapons. There is no hard, solid proof of it.
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FALLOUTGOD
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posted March 09, 2003 22:15
Thats bull shit, they don't know anything read the fucking cobra event. It was written and published while Bill Clinton was president. He personally asked them to run the book through security to see if it was possible for all that to be done. It has some interesting things about Iraq that you say are not true. This was back then and now the retarded people think it came out of the blue. It's been around for a long time, and I knew about it before the whole fucking thing came up. I think there is listing of his sources for the information in the book. It's mainly people in braches of military service, not sure anymore if it had names but it's all based on real factual things. Except ofcurse the cobra event it self. So yes please read that, I'm to lazy to find you information from back then to prove you wrong. I know I'm right and thats waht matters. Plus you know the American media is retarded, so watch the History channel. My friend told there was a series call saddams arsenal recentlly, and that it is fairly informative. He told me they said they irqy people disposed of the weapons them selves. Supposebly they did, but it made it hard for the inspectors to be sure everythng was destroyed. It was in the agreement that they let them destroy it, but no. So yes I'm not even bothering to read those. I'm sure it's full of more hipie bull shit. I know what I know and I have been well informed about it long before bush and the whole issue. So there, thats the bottom fucking line coz I said so.-------------------- xcuse me while i kill my self
blow my brain across the wall
fuck you all, how do you do
fuck me? fuck you too
and now i end this all xcuse me while...... i kill my seeeeeeeeeeeeeelf
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Scotty the Great
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posted March 10, 2003 06:58
FG, to say the least, you surprise and impress me. Don't take this the wrong way, but I didn't expect to find such a worthy debate opponent in you.Anyways, back to the topic. Yeah, American media is pretty much a load of bs. I won't argue that. And I will read up on the cobra event when I get the chance. Basically, you make valid points. I doubt that everything in Iraq is what it seems, when waiting outside a gate for almost a day for a religious ceremony a lot could be done. And in my personal opinion, I do think that Iraq does have these weapons of mass destruction. The most convincing evidence of this is when Iraq ordered (from Russia, I believe) a ton of antidote for mustard gas a few months back. Speculation at the time was that if the U.S. invaded, Saddam would use mustard gas, and use the antidote to treat his own soldiers. Personally, I feel this is probable. My main point in arguing against you was the fact that the world community (France, Russia, Germany) doesn't think that Iraq has these weapons, and therefore there isn't enough to advocate a war.
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