But from the beginning, here are things that no one has commented on that I said:
1) The patch size. Annoying as hell, why not wait two more weeks and have the patch already applied?
2) Tactics has no replay value
3) Tactics has virtually no alternate endings.
4) The difference between the 2D feel of F1 and 2 and the 3D shitty feel of Tactics
5) Ok, it was commented on, but where is the retro-50s feel in Tactics? Did I miss it or is it just not there?
6) The faces looked better in F1 and 2.
7) The inconsistencies of the time-frames.
8) Is a cool number

Rad, the universe is different. In Tactics, the universe had healed a lot more than it did in F1 and F2. So suddenly agian the world took a step backwards between the time of Tactics and F2.

Plus, Tactics is set in a fallout universe, not THE Fallout universe. There is no way that the Tactics universe is the same as F1 and 2. It looks different and it feels different. There is no way in hell that it is the same. You can play both and enjoy both as much as you want, but it just simply is not the same. The very basic fundamentals are the same, but everything else is different. The engine is different, the landscape texture is different, and the gameplay is different. Sure, it has a turn-based option, but it is different from that of the previous games. For instance, in F1 and 2, you can end combat with no AP and start combat again right away with all AP again. That never happens in Tactics, though.

Hm, there. Now, let's see what you guys can do with that.

[ September 12, 2003: Message edited by: Scotty the Great ]

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Maybe. I just don't have any comments on that.

But from the beginning, here are things that no one has commented on that I said:
1) The patch size. Annoying as hell, why not wait two more weeks and have the patch already applied?
2) Tactics has no replay value
3) Tactics has virtually no alternate endings.
4) The difference between the 2D feel of F1 and 2 and the 3D shitty feel of Tactics
5) Ok, it was commented on, but where is the retro-50s feel in Tactics? Did I miss it or is it just not there?
6) The faces looked better in F1 and 2.
7) The inconsistencies of the time-frames.
8) Is a cool number

Rad, the universe is different. In Tactics, the universe had healed a lot more than it did in F1 and F2. So suddenly agian the world took a step backwards between the time of Tactics and F2.

Plus, Tactics is set in a fallout universe, not THE Fallout universe. There is no way that the Tactics universe is the same as F1 and 2. It looks different and it feels different. There is no way in hell that it is the same. You can play both and enjoy both as much as you want, but it just simply is not the same. The very basic fundamentals are the same, but everything else is different. The engine is different, the landscape texture is different, and the gameplay is different. Sure, it has a turn-based option, but it is different from that of the previous games. For instance, in F1 and 2, you can end combat with no AP and start combat again right away with all AP again. That never happens in Tactics, though.

Hm, there. Now, let's see what you guys can do with that.

[ September 12, 2003: Message edited by: Scotty the Great ]

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Patch argument = obsolete.

No Replay Value = Multiplayer element. Every game has a replay value.

Virtually No Alternate Endings = So you can change your ending, in a Tactical Combat game, what's the problem?

Gritty 2D Feel = Excuse me. Only about a dozen at most NPC skins in Fallout, I think you must be kidding yourself here Scotty - what are do you mean? How does that feel gritty?

Retro-50's feel = There is no retro-50's feel in Fallout gameplay. Ever. You think playing a song at the beginning of a game changes everything. Not only that, but Fallout is a mish-mash of everything. New Reno gangsters can easily be attributed to the 1920s or at least pre-1950 era. Tactics keeps a constant. It does not over-reference MODERN pop-culture references.

Faces looked better = No they didn't. And also, Tactics has the benefit of character portraits.

Time-Frame Inconsistences = Wouldn't know. Explain.

Is a cool number = Em..

Tactics is set further east and the geographical state of this place is unknown. Also, Tactics is completely the same as Fallout. If you think your still right then I will tell you one AMAZING piece of information. Do you remember Scotty, the message when you walked into the Hub, for the first time? Yes that's right - many farms on the outskirts, much life in this desert town. THIS WAS SET BEFORE TACTICS.

You are saying that the Fallout engine's limitations are the beginning and the end. Doesn't work like that Scotty. Tactics shows the universe in a way more like the way it is meant to be seen. You know this to be true.

A new engine? Em.. yes, that's what evolution is.

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I didn't have to install the patch though, so I disregard #1.

The 50's feel? What about the town where you have to go to fight the thieves from Quincy? They have the Casino just like in New Reno.

The faces looked better? If I recall, you never got to see the face of the character you control. Like Rad said, you get a picture of the faces when you go to recruit someone. You get to see what rank they are. In F1 & 2, you don't get to recruit anybody, you just go up to them and say, 'You're coming with me!'

8 a cool number? HAHAHAH! Try 12! 12 is the best number evar!

[ September 12, 2003: Message edited by: Stapes ]

This is going nowhere. You say I'm disillusioned, I say you are missing the point. I've argued all I will on this matter. You guys won't change your opinion, and I will go with the majority of Fallout fans and stick with my opinion. How can I say that there is a majority behind me? Because that is the feeling you get everywhere. So many Fallout sites, so many despise Tactics and BoS. Remember the poll on the site that asked what people thought about BoS? Yes, that's right, most thought somebody should be shot for it. Also, how was Tactics rated in the polls when it first came out? On a scale from 1 (horrible) to 10 (awesome), the majority of people voted three or lower.

You guys go on and follow Tactics and BoS, and the rest of us will stand back and throw dead stuff at you when the Fallout name has been completely destroyed.

You've not said anything valid yet.

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I haven't said anything valid? Coming from a guy that says a game with multiplayer has to have replay value simply because of the multiplayer aspect, I won't take it too hard.

EDIT: Listen, there are differences duh. But these differences are nothing to do with setting, enviroment, gameplay and storyline.

[ September 15, 2003: Message edited by: rad-x ]

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In Tactics, you have to think of how you are going to complete the levels, like, which do I want to go for first? Which way should I go to get there? F1 and 2, is just ok, I'll go the only way there is to this place and I'll just do the 1 mission I was sent to do.

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And Stapes, the Fallout series was built as a role-playing series. Most people who liked Fallout liked it for what it was: an RPG. Not a Tactical game. Most fans of the first two games bought it solely because it had the name "Fallout" attached to it (which is why I bought it). Hence the outrage Tactics has caused. I could elaborate, but won't. I've had enough on this argument. Also, in F1 and 2 Stapes, you make it seem that there is only one mission to do in any given area and only one way to complete the mission. Not true. There are a ton of missions to do, and there is a bunch of different ways to get each done.

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And Scotty, we know it's a Tactical Combat Game, it isn't Fallout 3, it's Fallout TACTICS.

Didn't try to be Fallout 3, but captured the feel of the Fallout universe completely.

The moral of the story is you can't disregard a game because it's not in your preferred genre.

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Ok now thats over with, I agree with both of you guys.....but frankly i was really dissapointed by the 'Falloutishness' of Tactics...it just didn't 'feel' right at all...and there wasn't enough humour in it either.

Ok btw on the vehicles issue, remember that the Brotherhood in Tactics are a different group the the ones that live in the base in F1, they got in that Zeppelin and flew over to Chicago and then got stuck there, so they are actually not the same guys, so they might have different stuff to the BoS in the West....(im going from memory here, correct me if im wrong)

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche

Besides cause i play tactcis i dont have sex with animals. Im quite sane.

But some fallout tactics things will be good for fallout 3 like. *dot points*

.The fact u can change modes. Turn mode ect
.The fact u can lie down or crouch
. And having a map is good.

But fallout the best.
And it crap how in tactics u cant go to a town and actually have something to do.
Freakin ,missions suck

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1- Rap and Hip hop, good or bad?
2- Tactics Issues
3- Does Starcraft Suck?
4- Is Stapes Gay? (lol seriously remember the trouble that caused)
5- Should Slurry rule the world? (the answer is so obvious to me ^_^)

ok ok enough of my being a retard, im just trying to bring some comedy.

I was just thinking, in F1 the Brotherhood was on the rise, in F2 they were on the decline and getting whooped by the Enclave technology wise....perhaps one could say that Tactics is supposed to be them at their peak?

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche

About religion, im not big on it, but im fascinated by the myths and legends of stuff like Buddhism and Hinduism as well as various stuff from other religions...I like that religion brings some sense of magic and mystery to the world but i dont like how so many people corrupt the teachings of religion into something dangerous and annoying. Plus I don't like people trying to sell me religion...im thinking of setting Jehova's Witness traps in my front yard.

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche

As for religion, I try to avert conversations about it. That's not to say I won't discuss it; just that I prefer not to when I don't know the other person. With me being an athiest, entering into a theological debate with someone who is deeply religious is as pointless and timewasting as the whole Tactics debate we had going on. However, if the other person is open-minded (as I myself try to be), then I'll often welcome a discussion about religion. Even though neither of us may change our viewpoint, the insight gained from the other point of view is often almost enlightening. This is easist to do when you actually know the people in real life, though. On the internet, it's harder to tell if someone is deeply religious. To say the least, though, I agree with Slurry that religion is rather interesting to a certain extent.

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Look whos talking,the least posting member of the community.

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One thing I like about Tactics tho is it has more mainstream real guns in it..e.g the H&K MP5 (my fave gun)...note I said 'more' though, there are still lots of real guns in the others (gotta love that CAWS shotgun ;I)

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche

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Originally posted by jimtsoumas:
Hey guys I want to clear my position.I decided to register here because FALLOUT 1 and 2 are my favourite games.I tell it I am not ashamed,these games are my way of life,I love them both.I am having a wonderful exp every time I play them.I wish Fallout 3 will be as the others!!!!!!!!!!!! and Scotty, thank you

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Everyone here wants that. I sure as hell didn't come here because I like Tactical Combat Games.

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As I gaze up at the night sky in my own fair time, I look back down and see the devastation. This post-nuclear world. It's terrible. But at least we got Nuka-Cola, warm and flat, the drink of the post-apocalyptic civiliztion. Generation Next!

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No one is perfect

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What is new is always evil, being that which wants to conquer and overthrow the old boundary markers and the old pieties; and only what is old is good. The good men are in all ages those who dig the old thoughts, digging deep and getting them to bear fruit - the farmers of the spirit. But eventually all land is depleted, and the ploughshare of evil must come again and again.

- Nietzsche