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Topic: Fallout 3 soon?
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rad-x
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posted December 21, 2003 13:09
When we can finally say yes to "Fallout 3 soon?" this thread will cease to function...Until then however, knock down that bloody wall you Israelis!  
No, actually, I'll just turn round and pretend not to notice... ![[Approve]](graemlins/icon14.gif) HINT: Debating with Scotty and kicking his arse in it is the way to become a member of the Proconsul! ![[Cool]](graemlins/icon20.gif) -------------------- As I gaze up at the night sky in my own fair time, I look back down and see the devastation. This post-nuclear world. It's terrible. But at least we got Nuka-Cola, warm and flat, the drink of the post-apocalyptic civiliztion. Generation Next!
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rad-x
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posted December 22, 2003 16:18
I was just taking the piss!Oh Scotty, always the diplomat, never the demon... -------------------- As I gaze up at the night sky in my own fair time, I look back down and see the devastation. This post-nuclear world. It's terrible. But at least we got Nuka-Cola, warm and flat, the drink of the post-apocalyptic civiliztion. Generation Next!
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posted December 23, 2003 10:34
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Originally posted by Jet2241:
to be honest, i don't have a clue about which wall you are talking about. But it is intresting how this topic "keeps" to its idea ,i bet it would strech to a couple more pages 
What wall?! The West Bank "security fence" has been highly controversial ever since the Israeli Government decided to build it in 2002. Israel argues it will prevent terrorist attacks - but Palestinians say it will cut off hundreds of thousands of people from their livelihoods. And now the United Nations says it is illegal. Wall? Fence? What exactly is this structure? "The Thing," as one commentator has drolly called it, is in fact part-wall, part-fence. Most of its 700-kilometre (440-mile) length is made up of a concrete base with a five-metre-high wire-and-mesh superstructure. Rolls of razor wire and a four-metre-deep ditch are placed on one side. In addition, the structure is fitted with electronic sensors and has an earth-covered "trace road" beside it where footprints of anyone crossing can be seen. Parts of the structure consist of an eight-metre-high solid concrete wall, complete with massive watchtowers. The solid section around the Palestinian town of Qalqilya is conceived as a "sniper wall" to prevent gun attacks against Israeli motorists on the nearby Trans-Israel Highway. Contractors broke ground on the project in June 2002 between Qalqilya and Jenin. Up to 150 kilometres (80 miles) has so far been built. The Israeli cabinet has also approved the next phase of a controversial fence. The new section, around the Ariel and Kedumim settlements will not immediately connected to the barrier built so far. Why is Israel building it? After initial hesitation, the government adopted the plan saying it was essential to prevent Palestinian would-be suicide bombers from entering Israel and attacking Israeli civilians, as has happened many times during the Palestinian intifada. The initial hesitation can be explained by reluctance among ministers and their hardline supporters to build any structure that might be construed as a future Israeli-Palestinian border which left Jewish settlements stranded in Palestinian land. Pro-settlement objections have been largely assuaged by the fact that the structure is not being built on Israel's pre-1967 boundary, but snakes several kilometres into the West Bank to link settlements up to Israel. What are the main objections to the plan? For Israel's critics, the plan epitomises everything that is wrong with Israel's occupation of Palestinian land and its approach to making peace with its Arab neighbours. Palestinian land is confiscated to build the barrier; hundreds of Palestinian farmers and traders are cut off from their land and means of economic survival. Most significantly, it creates "facts on the ground" and imposes unilateral solutions that preclude negotiated agreements in the future. The impact of the plan has been felt most acutely in Qalqilya itself, once known as the West Bank's "fruit basket", which lies within a tight loop in the wall. It is cut off on three sides - from the farms which supply its markets and the region's second-largest water sources in the region. Access to the 40,000-inhabitant town will pass through a single Israeli checkpoint. Why didn't Israel build it along the old 1967 boundary? Palestinians say a fence around the entire West Bank might have shown the Israeli Government was serious about ending the occupation - the minimum requirement for a fair resolution of the conflict as far as Palestinians are concerned. As it is, the Palestinians argue, the current plan looks suspiciously like the precursor to a structure that will hem them in on 42% of the West Bank - something they believe Mr Sharon's has been planning all along. But Israel argues that the fence is purely a security obstacle, definitely not a part of a future border. Israeli officials argue there is nothing to prevent the fence - erected at a cost of $2m a kilometre - from being moved after a negotiated settlement. Where does America stand? Washington, still keen to keep alive the roadmap peace plan, views Israel's "security fence" as problematic because of its capacity to poison the atmosphere between the two sides. The US has exerted mild pressure on Israel. In July President George W Bush, on the podium with then Palestinian Prime Minister Mahmoud Abbas, said: "It is very difficult to develop confidence between the Palestinians and the Israelis... with a wall snaking through the West Bank." A few days later, with Mr Sharon, Mr Bush said: "The prime minister made it very clear to me that it was a sensitive issue and my promise to him was we will continue to discuss how to make sure that the fence sends the right signal" to the Palestinians. In September, the US has raised objections to the proposed extension of the fence. Washington was considering withholding loan guarantees to Israel to the value of the cost of any sections of wall the US considers unnecessary. What is the UN's position on the fence? In late September, the UN issued a report which condemned the barrier as illegal and tantamount to "an unlawful act of annexation". In his report for the UN Commission on Human Rights, John Dugard, a South African law professor, warned that about 210,000 Palestinians living in the area between the wall and Israel would be cut off from social services, schools and places of work. "This is likely to lead to a new generation of refugees or internally displaced people," he said. Israel has dismissed the UN report as "one-sided, highly politicised and biased". THAT WALL! You've never heard of this wall? -------------------- As I gaze up at the night sky in my own fair time, I look back down and see the devastation. This post-nuclear world. It's terrible. But at least we got Nuka-Cola, warm and flat, the drink of the post-apocalyptic civiliztion. Generation Next!
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![[Tongue Job 1]](graemlins/icon19.gif)
of course im not the right person to say that though 
