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Topic: Somebody really needs to be shot for this
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Scotty the Great
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posted June 30, 2003 23:52
Okay, I guess I gotta rant on this to make you understand. First off, the running in previous games looked fine for me. And second off, I'm not the only one against BoS; 99.9% of Fallout fans think it's a horrible idea as well. The reason for this is because they are getting too damned far away from the Fallout origins. Fallout started as a turn-based RPG for the PC. BoS is a real-time action game for X-Box. See any similarities? Neither do I. I would have absolutely nothing against the game if Interplay hadn't insisted on attaching the Fallout name to it. Tactics did a good enough job of dragging Fallout through the dirt; BoS is just overdoing it by a long shot.Ok, now for the rest of the rant. Look at these pictures:
That one is from BoS. 
That one is from F2.
Look at the railroad tracks. The ones from F2 fit the setting a lot better than those from BoS. They just don't fit with Fallout universe. F2 was the first place where anybody saw tracks in the Fallout environment; wouldn't it make more sense to go with what is already set than to suddenly change it? Next, look at the crates in the upper right. Where the hell did those come from? Think back to the crates of previous Fallouts. Since when did a crate appear all shiny and new? Since when did it survive being out in the open without ageing due to weathering, radiation, or other natural occurances? Simply put, that isn't realistic and not Falloutish. Moving on, look at these:
from BoS, and 
from F1.
What you should notice here should be obvious, but I'll point it out nonetheless. Look at the doors, and look at the buildings themselves. The doors and buildings of F1 are almost to the point of falling apart because of weathering and affects from the Great War. However, the buildings and doors of BoS are in almost mint condition, even though the game takes place after F1. What the hell is going on? The buildings in F2 resemble greatly those of F1. BoS takes place in between the two games. Are we to believe that people suddenly built up new buildings after F1, and then tore them down for no reason before F2? I doubt it. And don't use the illogical argument that "the buildings were built right after F1 and right before BoS, and aged a lot before F2." The time frames for this boggles the mind, and if I have to I will look up the time frames for this and prove it not possible. Don't waste my time with this argument. Lastly, take a look at the crates in that F1 picture and remember what I said before about the crates. Next, look at these:
from BoS and 
from F1.
The main thing in these is the tires. Look at the old ones on the caravan of F1 and the shiny new ones in BoS.
"Bob, the tires for this caravan need to be changed. One could go flat and we might have to leave it in the wasteland and take a major loss on it!"
"Well George, what can we do? There aren't any tires around here that survived the war!"
"Actually, there are plenty of shiny black tires laying around everywhere."
"What?! Nonesense! Like I said, there are no tires that survived the war. None at all."
Yeah, I'm sure that's exactly what happened. Lastly, the characters are a problem with BoS as well. Even if they don't "glide" like in the previous games, they didn't have to go and ruin them by making 'em so horribly pixilated and 3D. I want the traditional 2D characters of F1 and 2 back that actually looked human, damnit! And I'm not even sure I understand by what you mean by glide. The characters lifted a foot, put it in front of the other, and then did the same with the other foot. You can tell each foot came into contact with and left the ground at proper intervals by watching the shadows of the characters. Hrmph. Ugh, that's all I'm gonna rant about right now. Stapes, if you're fine with the fact that BoS is destroying the entire Fallout environment, name, and reputation, so be it. But the hardcore fans of the Fallout series can't stand what BoS is doing to it. Fallout was named the 'RPG of the Year' when it came out on the market, and now Interplay is trying to change every aspect of the series. They are making the environment more shiny and seemingly trying to get rid of the entire original Fallout story line of a great nuclear war, as is evident by those pictures. What the hell was Interplay thinking? "Well, Fallout was an award winning title, so how about instead of improving on it and releaseing another sequel, why don't we just attach the name to a piece of crap game that has little to nothing to actually do with Fallout?"
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Stapes
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posted July 01, 2003 01:36
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Originally posted by Scotty the Great:
Look at the railroad tracks. The ones from F2 fit the setting a lot better than those from BoS.
True, but you have to think though. In BoS, you are looking at them from a different angle, so that way they would look different. quote:
Next, look at the crates in the upper right. Where the hell did those come from? Think back to the crates of previous Fallouts. Since when did a crate appear all shiny and new?
Just because they don't look weathered doesn't mean that it isn't. Look at some houses today. How many of them are to the point that they are about to fall apart, but from the outside, they look pretty nice. I have a friend whose house is just like that. quote:
Look at the doors, and look at the buildings themselves. The doors and buildings of F1 are almost to the point of falling apart because of weathering and affects from the Great War. However, the buildings and doors of BoS are in almost mint condition, even though the game takes place after F1. The buildings in F2 resemble greatly those of F1.
Ok, but what about buildings like in New Reno, where there is nothing wrong with them. The casino for instance, has nothing wrong with it. I can't remember, but was that building in F1? If it wasn't, then how can you not argue about it being built after F1 and before F2? If it was in F1, then you can't argue about the buildings being so weathered and beat up, because if memory serves me right, the place was in good condition! quote:
The main thing in these is the tires. Look at the old ones on the caravan of F1 and the shiny new ones in BoS.
Don't you think that the shininess of the tires could have been from the light being right on top of it? They might want you to know that the tires are there, so they make them visible at night by putting them under the lights. [ July 01, 2003: Message edited by: Stapes ]
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Scotty the Great
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posted July 01, 2003 01:48
First, I did consider the railroad tracks were just an issue of the angle. But then I looked closer. Once again, besides a few planks being out of place, the tracks are in mint condition. Really, I have seen tracks today that are still in use that are in a lot worse shape. In fact, I have never seen any tracks that look that good. But we're supposed to believe that the tracks survived a nuclear war and probably the preceding century without hardly a scratch? Not a chance.As for the crates, that is a lacking argument. People go through a lot to take care of the outside of their homes, and yet they still go after time. However, people don't take special care to crates. Of course, a regular crate can survive a nuclear war and a century of weather and radiation while still maintaining it's shiny exterior, can't it? Plus, all crates in F1 and 2 were weathered. Why change that now? It doesn't make sense. Next, the buildings in New Reno were not without their flaws. They still looked falloutish. The buildings of BoS look better than my house does today, and my house is in damned good shape. For instance, the siding on my house and the doors are right now ten years old. They don't look anywhere near as good as those in BoS, which have survived a century and a nuclear war. Lastly, the tires. The shine may have been due to the light, but I highly doubt it. Doesn't rubber have the tendency to deteriorate after a while? These tires appear to be in mint condition. BoS has successfully ruined the entire Fallout environment in my eyes.
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Stapes
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posted July 01, 2003 01:59
Upon closer inspection of the pictures. I found that the one with the red line in it, if you look just above the red line, it looks like there is a nice sized hole in the wall. There were a lot of holes in the walls in F1 and F2.As for the crates, I do see your point, but here's a little scenario. The train car that is in the lower left hand corner of the picture was holding those crates. The train car was air tight, so no dust could get into the car. The people came by, open the doors, see the crates all shiny. You can never really tell! You have to know what is going on before and after the pictures to know what really happened. Hell, someone could have polished them up and they fell out of a caravan. How can you tell?!? The tracks, yeah, they do seem really nice and shiny, and the planks are all straight except for the ones where they are just slightly crooked.
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Scotty the Great
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posted July 01, 2003 02:06
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!OMG, this is hardly worth it, but here we go again: It takes more than one hardly noticeable hole in a wall of a building to preserve the Fallout environment and feel. Plus, it is inconsistent. "Wow, you have some nice shiny doors on this house! Yes indeed, hardly a scrat- Wait a minute, what the hell is this? Why the hell does your house have a hole in it?!" Simply put, one doesn't go with the other. And an air-tight train car? Stapes, I have a wild imagination, but I can't even accept that. I mean, does Interplay expect everyone to swallow every aspect of the game with such a requisitely huge grain of salt?
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FALLOUTGOD
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posted July 02, 2003 13:42
I scotty I diden't read all of your ranting with stapes but I offer a simple argument, a diffrent area of the usa, that was not nuked and sustained minimum damage because the buildings were brand new when the war went haywire, these places could be small suburbs that were being built at the time and not even on any map, and thus logiclly did not get bombed in the war effort and just slightly deteriorated over some time, as for the railroad tracks and crates don't you think people can still make their own?
it's dosen't take hightech equipment to make boxes and railroads, I know this because I worked on a railroad and boxes are obviously easy to make, duh... thats my offer, although
I agree the game blows but it makes some bit of sense if you think about it... it still sux though-------------------- xcuse me while i kill my self
blow my brain across the wall
fuck you all, how do you do
fuck me? fuck you too
and now i end this all xcuse me while...... i kill my seeeeeeeeeeeeeelf
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Ying or Yang? 
posted November 18, 2003 04:12
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